Is WoWProgress Population Data a Fiction?


Kernel 10 years ago


Recently Blizzard CM Drazta mentioned (in Spanish) that WoWProgress Population data is "incredibly inaccurate".
I would like to comment and provide more info about how we calculate WoW population.

Players asked question about population of RP realm Los Errantes (according to our data this realm has only about 1000 PvE players).
Drazta's answer was: "This is a lie, Los Errantes has more population than any PvP realm".

This is our definition of Population:
Population - amount of unique players that meet any of the two conditions:
- has a level 90 character that killed something in Tier 16 Normal
- has a level 90 character in a guild that killed something in Tier 16 Normal

So basically we count all high level members of guilds that killed at least one boss in Tier 16 content.

It's reasonable that there are about 1000 players on the realm that has only 22 guilds in Tier 16 rankings, averaging 45 unique players per guild.

Now you can say that there are much more players, because not everyone likes raiding and many raiders only do LFR and Flex difficulty.

Yes, this is true, especially for RP realms such as Los Errantes. On RP realms there are more players that interested in Role Playing rather than organized raiding.

Now imagine you are a player that interested in PvE Progression and you're given data about full WoW population (we don't have such data, but imagine Blizzard gave it to you).

There you see that Los Errantes is high populated realm, you transfer there looking for PvE guild. And you find that there is only 1 guild that killed Garrosh Normal!

Now that would be incredible misleading!

WoWProgress is a website that's focused on PvE Progression and we provide you data that is relevant for PvE players.
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  1. bamfkinhero
    Rating: +20 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    Amen.
    Reply
  2. Shamanamanah
    Rating: -7 [-][+]
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  3. squeakyzeeky
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    Well i can not seem to get my guild listed on here and i have emailed them several times!. Dead memories on us shadowsong is still not listed and we are 7/14 normal ten man progression and its annoying to not be listed
    Reply
  4. Kernel
    10 years ago
    Your guild is listed, but it hasn't been updated for long time.
    You can easily find it using the big search form on the main page. Then you should click "update guild progress" button on the right side of the page.
    Reply
  5. Shamanamanah
    Rating: -3 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    I fully agree with the ending statement. To add in players who *at least* raid Flex would just pollute the overall percentages and give misleading information that may have otherwise helped others in the long run. Glad we're not looking to casualize WoWProgress, too.
    Reply
  6. mlm430047
    Rating: -8 [-][+]
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  7. Porrgy
    p0rgy#1985
    Rating: -3 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    you're in the wrong place friend.
    Reply
  8. Kernel
    10 years ago
    The API often returns internal errors lately
    http://us.battle.net/api/wow/guild/hydraxis/Kaizen returns {"status":"nok", "reason": "Internal server error."}
    That could be the reason.
    Reply
  9. sanzoo
    Rating: -6 [-][+]
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  10. Taymatt
    Taymatt#1743
    Rating: -2 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    I find this amusing. Your comment is from a month ago, but the same thing is going on today. Our guild progress cannot update, because Wowprogress appears to update completely randomly. Only two out of the ten people on our last kill from three days ago are showing the kill, and I've updated it in every way possible countless times over the last three days. A google search turns up countless "fail to update" type problems over the last three years. And no, the problems have nothing whatsoever to do with battle.net, which is fully updated. For that matter, --- updated properly within minutes. It's just Wowprogress that is constantly broken.
    Reply
  11. Arcannis
    Rating: -4 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    What Draztal says is true, but not at all. Los Errantes has more population than just 1000 pve players, as this web states. What really happens is that people in a role play does more things than just pve.
    Just use wowprogress for its true purpose, looking for pve progression on realms.
    Reply
  12. rasmusvedel
    Vedel#21236
    Rating: +3 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    That is what he said -,-
    Reply
  13. Radoznali
    Rating: +13 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    When are you going to add something to see how conected realms are doing(there combined population)?That would be nice info to have as well
    Reply
  14. unpsofable
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    bump
    Reply
  15. Booi
    Rating: -1 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    Scarlet Halls/Brewery Challenge mode times never update from armoury.
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/malganis/Booi/challenge

    Character used to be on Scilla, wondering if that is causing an issue.
    Reply
  16. iniquitee
    Rating: +2 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    What are your plans for handling server merges and guilds with cross-server members? Will they be tracked together or separately?
    Reply
  17. unpsofable
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    well as long as API won't show any connections, none of the sites can do it.
    Someone can do it manually , but that will require equal time spend with the blizzards API team plus any human errors.

    I would like to read an official statement though :)
    Reply
  18. Spotnick
    Spotnick#1548
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    Speaking of that, when do you plan to change the site to reflect realm connections? For Warlords only?
    Reply
  19. crimsonbolt
    AlpacaPacino#1811
    Alpacapacino SoF
    Rating: -1 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    Silly noob CM. it's not about the population and your dollar bills. this is about passionate raiders seeking rankings and seeking a guild with raiding progression in mind.
    Reply
  20. Jibb
    Rating: -2 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    I dont know where to leave it other than here, but your information on prideful gear is out by 10 ilvl and thus stats being wrong
    Reply
  21. Moshic
    Vargur#2295
    Vargur Retro
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    Any chance we could opt to use wowhead data instead of wowdb? I'm not confortable clicking the items and not having tooltips for them. :|
    Reply
  22. goofsterstud
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    This site is going down hill fast.

    Look at Proudmoore: 0-25 mans have killed Heroic Garrosh on Proudmoore. The heroic Garrosh Achievement is still up for grabs. A guild paid a cross server top 40 guild to carry them through Seige. Pull up the kill and you find out that half the group was from a different server. This needs to be corrected, they haven't even killed H Parragons in the Wake guild if you only count their guild, or even the server. Things like this are happening frequently, destroying this sites credibility more than this mention from Blizzard CM Drazta.
    Reply
  23. Kevyne
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    Can confirm Blizzard is correct about accuracy of the content on sites like this: It's showing my toon joining my guild on Oct 17, 2011. It was Oct 17, 2010 (during WotLK) when the guild was created, and as the GM, I joined this guild.

    Also other toons that joined listed on my guild didn't all join in 2011, either.
    Reply
  24. Kevyne
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    10 years ago
    Went back to the screenshot timestamps: I AM A HOLY PALADIN was created on 11/6/2010, actually. This is confirmed with a GM chat about not only a bug with my other guild's bank (another reason I created the guild, as my sis and I both were locked out of the bank), but getting my toon's name back from server transfers.

    11/12/2010 Kevyne had his name back and in the guild as such ever since.

    So guild was definitely created in 2010. With a GM log to prove it (and since we know WoW has a hidden watermark ingame of JPEG
    Reply
  25. Kernel
    10 years ago
    Please read the article more carefully:
    We don't scan those guilds that don't have progress in at least normal mode.
    Reply
  26. Kevyne
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    And that's where Blizzard is correct: If folks have to signup to correct the wrong data displayed itself because it's not important to you, "Houston, we have a problem..."

    Creation dates are important to Guild Leaders as it shows longevity, compared to the 10000001 raid guilds that break up over loot in the first place. -_-
    Reply
  27. Imodorox
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    When is the site going to be updated for the new raid tiers?
    Reply
  28. Klik
    Kilk The Process
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    I'm interested to know why level 90s that haven't killed anything in t16, but are guilded in guilds that have, count in realm pop?

    Wouldn't a more accurate measure of the population, for PvE purposes, be strictly the number of character that have killed a boss in t16?
    Reply
  29. Marszx
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    Will you be adding a ladder for mythic SoO when it comes out in 6.0?
    Reply
  30. Brainkicker
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    most important how many people are raiding on this realm
    Reply
  31. Zalora
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    Id like to know, how characters once showing, and which you know ppl still have on their account is no longer showing on wowprogress when looking up another char of that person. I would suggest some way to actually check if these characters are still on account before they are deleted from the search on wowprogress. I was wanting to talk to someone at another server than his main and could no longer find the character on the list. Even I know its being played. I wish I had written all alts down but thought they would always be seen here.
    Reply
  32. Haadron
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    When is the site going to be updated for the new raid tiers?

    Flex is now Normal
    Normal is now Heroic
    Heroic is now Mythic?

    Are all 3 going to be used, or just Heroic and Mythic?

    Also, i find the data that the site pulls is not all that accurate, even with an update. My guid ran 13/14 SoO yesterday and it still only has our data from the week before.
    Reply
  33. unpsofable
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    Since the new patch there is no api for raid progression.
    If you check your char in the armory there is no progress anymore.

    Probably they will enable the new raids when WoD comes out.
    Reply
  34. lolnoobhax
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    Let's hope so... i miss bragging rights..
    Reply
  35. lolnoobhax
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    mythic is one big nerf anyway, why would it have to count this expansion... For T17 i would agree your statement but for now i only care about the part of beeing actual to the outside of what we did in 5.4, what members we got & a reason for them to check us out still...
    Reply
  36. Dropp
    Dropp#2790
    Droppx Fungistorm
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    Mythic?
    Reply
  37. Scarletsix
    Rating: +2 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    Any word on updates would be nice to the users guys....
    Reply
  38. lolnoobhax
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    That guy must be dumb to state that anyway, no offence... I never checked out a low pop realm and counted anyone to know that it only counted 90 people in the first place.. Since alts of myself or from my fellow friends in our guild are never shown + would also gank our avg ILVL and its ranking.

    And i agree on Scarletsix.. I obviosly need to refresh my guild page to show the new people, check them out and get rid of those jokers who called themselves raiders...
    Reply
  39. Arwenus
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    To be perfectly honest your not actually scanning any guilds, my guild is now 13/14 heroic and it hasn't been updated for weeks, whats the point in having a site if u can't even update it
    Reply
  40. Zatoshi
    Zatoshi#21502
    Zatoshi
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    My guild have 14/14 and nothing...
    Reply
  41. pat33
    numenor#11468
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    9 years ago
    WOD - May 30th 2015

    Ok then so %28 (2 Million/7 Million) have killed something with a 650 ILvl item in Heroic Mode

    So %72 only PVP and RP? WOWprogress or Blizzard gives us an acurate number please!!
    Reply
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